1st of all, let me apologies for not replying earlier.. it was hell of a month on personal level (without getting into details).. so, here we go:
“I can’t prevent him from uploading any video because this is an open website but i have the right to say my words & defend my religion”.. I 100% agree with that statement, and more; if someone tried to stop or gag you from defending your religion I’ll stand against him, bottom line; I believe in the freedom of speech, even for ideologies and believes I disagree with..
“I should remain silent”.. actually, no body asked you to remain silent, it’s quiet the opposite, I want you to talk and discuss such matter, but not try to stop other people from talking as well by asking to remove the video.. just discuss it with logic or let it be.. I hope I’m clear on this one
and here’s my reply to your points:
1. he didn’t mean god himself as a physical being (obviously, since he’s an atheist and don’t believe in such thing in the 1st place).. he was talking about the “idea” of god, that can be proven wrong (hence the term killed) by scientific logic..
2. I actually agree with you on this one.. unlike most people, I have no problem responding to LOGICAL debate
3. yeah, maybe that one was a little bit extreme
4. “Nonsense said by unknown person that’s why they didn’t give him importance”.. how famous a guy is doesn’t mean how right or wrong he is.. forget who said it and argue with the statement it self
5. personally, I don’t make fun of other people, I just argue with them with logic..
6. hehehe.. this is not what it meant at all, keep in mind these quotes are by atheist (i.e. don’t believe there’s such thing as god), what this statement means is every culture or civilization (from the ancient Egyptian till now) create gods on their perspective of what the best creature should look and behave like.. compare the Indian, ancient Greek, Arab/Islamic and Egyptian gods to the mentality of the civilizations who created them and you’ll understand what it means..
7. “You don’t have a god”.. actually this point is incorrect, in Islam, you believe that every body has a god.. even if he doesn’t believe in him ;)
as for the quote; it means that every religion dismiss other religions gods (Islam and Hindus, Christians and Islam, etc).. hope it’s clear now
overall.. you might disagree with all, and could find couple of things on few.. but in general, it’s quotes by very smart people (scientists, inventors, philosophers, etc) and other people have the right to have a look at them.. if they disagree, then they have all the right to..
overall.. you might disagree with all, and could find couple of things on few.. but in general, it’s quotes by very smart people (scientists, inventors, philosophers, etc) and other people have the right to have a look at them.. if they disagree, then they have all the right to..Rehab:
how can you call me racist.. the word doesn’t even apply here!!!
“and all this was done by an Arab”.. why should an Arab be any different then any other human being in the world.. after all, we are all people with minds of our owns to think and analyze things..
WoW, I just read the last 2 comments (I actually read them a few times). I’m not going to say what I think because I like avoiding controversy, but what I am going to say is how very very very disappointed I am at the fact that I feel my religion is being attacked , and I was immediately categorized as a certain person (which was very racist & hurtful Ghassan) and all this was done by an Arab… a middle easterner living in the middle east, who was probably raised around people who were Muslim or Christian and believed in God. Yet I was born and raised and live in California, a state where Islam is a minority, and I have never had a racist attack like the one on this post. Which makes me wonder…. how open minded people really are????
OK OK OK , Mike , i am really impressed by your style of writting & your polite words but not the content .
I came across a new quote added by you : ( Born to die , why humans have to suffer ? ) and i wanted to give you my personal answer ….
If you can last forever then why don’t you ? No one can , so it means all of us are weak & there is someone who has created us & we call it ALLAH as muslims .
If you are a homo sapien it means that you believe in Evolution Theory & Darwinism that refer the origin of humans to the apes , i also realized this from your motto ( trying to get a hold of a banana in a world governed by apes…)
Now , i want you tell me : Do you know who created that ape ? Who is your first ape ? Can this ape last forever ?
If you can answer then answer me , if you can’t it means there is something stronger than all of us & he is the one who created all this universe , so not believing in any god means escaping from this fact .
If you don’t have a god then PLZ PLZ PLZ tell me how you came into this life ? Don’t tell me by Coincidence , because if you believe in coincidence then you have to be more clever & think widely how this coincidence appeared , it means there is someone who has created this coincidence & he is controlling the universe by putting coincidences , revivig & killing people , applying happiness & sadness … etc
Ghassan mirror the ideas of certain people who attacks our religions directly , he must know that his freedom must be stopped when he attacks other’s beliefs .
I can’t prevent him from uploading any video because this is an open website but i have the right to say my words & defend my religion .
He started the attack by delivering some quotes like this one said by Gene Roddenberry :
Religions vary in their degree of IDIOCY, but i reject them all.
and when i said about his beliefs that they are stupid he got anxious and asked me to stop religious double standard ( He started & He wants me to stop ) this is not a freedom ..
Then he searched my profile to prove his failure of discussion & dealt with me as a god defender , I am not a perfect person & I am not doing all my worshippings according to Islam , it is my mistake & I admit it , but this doesn’t mean that I should remain silent after i see such a video attacking my religion .
I am 100% sure that very few people here read all these quotes because the video is very lengthy & boring to read , so I will post here some of them that I found very offensive to others & then you all can judge … i will write below each of them my personal logical analysis not religious analysis :
1. " Gods are fragile things , they maybe killed by a whiff of science or a dose of common sense."
How Chapman Cohen describe something that he has never seen as fragile & claims that it can be killed by science & common sense ? I think he is trying to creat an invisible personal victory for him .
2. " All thinking men are atheists."
This is totally wrong because there are many Muslim , Christian , Jewish thinkers who has done alot of achievements in all the fields of life much more than atheists , you can check all the history books for this & if you want i will mention alot of them for you .
3. " There are 2 classes of men : Intelligent men without religion , and religious men without intelligence."
Calling us stupids indirectly , this is cheap way of self thinking that you are better than others , you can prove it in another way .
4. " Don’t pray in my school & i won’t think in your church."
Nonsense said by unknown person that’s why they didn’t give him importance , otherwise he will remain memorable & his name will not be lost & will remain remarkable .
5. " People who don’t like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn’t have such funny beliefs."
This gives the right for you to have fun of the other’s beliefs , you laugh at their beliefs which are considered sacerd for them & harm the feelings of the people who don’t think like you , this is mockery .
6. “Gods always behave like the people who created them .”
This sentence makes no sense , have you ever seen my god and how he behaves ? so this is personal prediction .
7. " When you understand why you dismiss all the other gods, you will understand why i dismiss yours ."
You don’t have a god so it means i didn’t dismiss yours & you don’t have the right to dismiss mine .
SORRY FOR THE LONG COMMENT
I am watching your show on ikbis regularly GROUNDZERO and my friends too they like it too much , it is successful & hope for you the best , thanks for participating with us in this topic & giving your view . With my Regards to you
Afternoon,
Imagine if writers like me were not allowed to imagine…imagination is the nourishment of the soul…without it we are no different than animals.
Poetry, literature, music, art and math all exist because of our ability to imagine. Everything we use in our lives is the result of this gift that was given to us. Imagine if we denied ourselves using such abilities!
I am not anti-God. I am anti-censorship and pro-free thinking. I am not a Satanist, an atheist, a believer, a Christian, a Muslim, a Jew or a Buddhist. I am simply a human being with an imagination that was given to me.
If you happen to know about John Milton’s Paradise Lost you will be dumbstruck by the passage in which he describes in poetry the discourse between God and the Fallen Angel that rebelled against his authority and how the Fallen Angel and his followers were “flung headlong” from Heaven.
What if I am not allowed to write the following?
(Born to Die: Why we humans have to suffer?)
By Mike V.Derderian
Alas I, man, was born like all creatures to die,
With horrid and cold death in the wet earth lie,
Why we humans have to suffer;
Is a question like no another?
If I am fortunate with sweet angels I shall fly,
Or forever I shall burn by Satan’s vile blight,
Why we humans have to suffer;
Is a question like no another?
Why I ask was I bourn and born to die,
After living such a bitter sweet sweet lie.
Why we humans have to suffer,
Is a question like no another?
Will Gabriel arrive to us with a fiery chariot,
Before Beelzebub devours everyone’s spirit.
Why we humans have to suffer;
Is a question I ask my Father?
Not being able to express our feelings or thoughts is the greatest sin and not otherwise. What Ghassan did was mirror the ideas of others like writers, philosophers, poets, scientist, economists and comedians in a video montage.
I’ve read and watched the video through and it instigates thought: free thought is for everyone, which is why it is called free.
One shouldn’t shut himself out and refuse to listen to what others have to say even if it contradicts his own ethos, beliefs and religion. A true believer can fight the temptation. Imagine yourself facing hundreds of cups filled with liquor and one cup of water…which one would you choose? Supposedly, the one which is better for yourself…in my case it is the cup of water but this doesn’t negate the fact that the other cups with different content exist…
I am a man, who grew up avoiding trouble but being a writer, who admires the works of some people mentioned in the video like my favorite writer Ernest Hemingway, I had to write this. It is my duty as a writer.
Good day,
Mike V.Derderian,
A Homo sapien trying to get a hold of a banana in a world governed by apes…
yeah.. I think every thing is too obvious now to argue :)
OoOoOoH Ghassan , it is a good effort from you , i am not saying that i am a very religious man infront of you and these pictutres which you are showing are just funny pictures , She is a girl ( indicate that the girls can’t drive well ) and Nuns ( funny picture that doesn’t show their legs , it is just the chairs done in a funny way ) and Martina Hings ( she is my favorite tennis player and i don’t see anything special in the pic , she is only tired )…. But realize that in all these shots i have never attacked the god or the creation , i know that we all are created by ALLAH and i have total believe in this thing .
As for my comments , i think if the viewer will see the full comments he will know that i have just admired the girl bcoz she was pretty but when the guy talked about following the genitalia , i stopped him bcoz he opened the picture for the same reason too but when the other guy thanked me i clarified for him that i didn’t upload this picture ( keep on mind that i didn’t say i am doing right , i said that it is better to ignore the pic and leave without opening it ) ..
Listen Ghassan , i am asking you again to respect yourself and stop talking about our ALLAH bcoz he doesn’t need any representataive or defender in earth as you said …You can attack me and criticize me as you like because i am a human being and i can fall in mistake BUT i will never allow you to attack my ALLAH .
Note : you can say (mish bkeefak) instead of (mish bkeef ahlak) bcoz this can put u in a very big trouble buddy .
Sorry for taking my time guys.. but I was searching for a shot commented by this god representative on earth, ethic defender (see the one at the end).. to show a very common case of religious hypocrisy.
so here’s the thing plain and simple.. imagin someone posted an islamic video, and other someone came and said islam is stupid and muslims are into the dark side and killing people.. blah blah blah.. what would you say to that then!
you believing in such thing as god, heaven, hell, prophets, etc (no matter how illogical it is!) is your personal believe.. I don’t come to bother you and say that you believing in god is offensive to me! the same thing you MUST (once again MUST.. ya3ne mesh bkef ahlak) respect other people believes.. wither you believed in them or not.. end of story. (that was period!)
Now.. about that religious hypocrisy :)
here is some of the shots this guy uploaded to this family site:
http://ikbis.com/NeDDaL/shot/27835?title=She+is+a+GIRL+
http://ikbis.com/NeDDaL/shot/27843
http://ikbis.com/NeDDaL/shot/28933?title=Martina+Hingis
Now.. about that religious hypocrisy :)
here is some of the shots this guy uploaded to this family site:
http://ikbis.com/NeDDaL/shot/27835?title=She+is+a+GIRL+
http://ikbis.com/NeDDaL/shot/27843
http://ikbis.com/NeDDaL/shot/28933?title=Martina+Hingisand this is a comments he made on a ridiculous cheep-porn-like image:
http://ikbis.com/hape/shot/63937
Now.. about that religious hypocrisy :)
here is some of the shots this guy uploaded to this family site:
http://ikbis.com/NeDDaL/shot/27835?title=She+is+a+GIRL+
http://ikbis.com/NeDDaL/shot/27843
http://ikbis.com/NeDDaL/shot/28933?title=Martina+Hingisand this is a comments he made on a ridiculous cheep-porn-like image:
http://ikbis.com/hape/shot/63937notice 1st how he flirter the image:
أوووووف شو هالدلع هاظ
Now.. about that religious hypocrisy :)
here is some of the shots this guy uploaded to this family site:
http://ikbis.com/NeDDaL/shot/27835?title=She+is+a+GIRL+
http://ikbis.com/NeDDaL/shot/27843
http://ikbis.com/NeDDaL/shot/28933?title=Martina+Hingisand this is a comments he made on a ridiculous cheep-porn-like image:
http://ikbis.com/hape/shot/63937notice 1st how he flirter the image:
أوووووف شو هالدلع هاظand when someone makes a religious comment.. he says:
يعني يا ناصر لما فتحت الصوره هاي ما كنت تتبع عورات الناس ؟ بعدين هالأيام امشي بالشارع بتشوف أفظع من هيك . المفروض من ناحيه دينيه تستغفر ربك و تغض البصر مش تفتح الصوره و تشوفها بعدين تتفلسف
Now.. about that religious hypocrisy :)
here is some of the shots this guy uploaded to this family site:
http://ikbis.com/NeDDaL/shot/27835?title=She+is+a+GIRL+
http://ikbis.com/NeDDaL/shot/27843
http://ikbis.com/NeDDaL/shot/28933?title=Martina+Hingisand this is a comments he made on a ridiculous cheep-porn-like image:
http://ikbis.com/hape/shot/63937notice 1st how he flirter the image:
أوووووف شو هالدلع هاظand when someone makes a religious comment.. he says:
يعني يا ناصر لما فتحت الصوره هاي ما كنت تتبع عورات الناس ؟ بعدين هالأيام امشي بالشارع بتشوف أفظع من هيك . المفروض من ناحيه دينيه تستغفر ربك و تغض البصر مش تفتح الصوره و تشوفها بعدين تتفلسفso please.. blash falsafe zaide
Now.. about that religious hypocrisy :)
here is some of the shots this guy uploaded to this family site:
http://ikbis.com/NeDDaL/shot/27835?title=She+is+a+GIRL+
http://ikbis.com/NeDDaL/shot/27843
http://ikbis.com/NeDDaL/shot/28933?title=Martina+Hingisand this is a comments he made on a ridiculous cheep-porn-like image:
http://ikbis.com/hape/shot/63937notice 1st how he flirter the image:
أوووووف شو هالدلع هاظand when someone makes a religious comment.. he says:
يعني يا ناصر لما فتحت الصوره هاي ما كنت تتبع عورات الناس ؟ بعدين هالأيام امشي بالشارع بتشوف أفظع من هيك . المفروض من ناحيه دينيه تستغفر ربك و تغض البصر مش تفتح الصوره و تشوفها بعدين تتفلسفso please.. blash falsafe zaide
Guys , putting such a video will urge others to start putting many more videos against this Atheism which can insult or offend gyounis >> if this will happen will u consider it freedom Ghassan ??? take my advice and avoid religious conflicts here . ikbis is a family website and it has a good control over the comments . if you uploaded this video in another website you will get the comments in different way and many will abuse you badly . at least here we are respecting you and talking to you politely . Rehab apologized for you and she has done nothing to you . But you have insulted all of us by saying about his almighty ALLAH that he is a big imaginary friend and you know well what he means to us . try to say sorry at least for this thing .
Yeah, I already apologized to Gyonis, I had no idea he was Atheist and wallah I really did not mean to offend anyone, as for excepting others religions, we don’t have many Muslim friends here, we do have Atheist and Jehovah witness friends though, and we all get along, I think all of us are actually very open minded, it was all just a bit of a misunderstanding :)
Guess what else…………….we even have JEW friends :) :) :) but they are nice Jews not mean Zionist ones :) :) :) :)
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isn’t it amazing how 2 or 3 keys can make a facial expression, a..ma…zing
Guys, Ikbis is open to everyone’s thoughts as long as no one offends the other. I don’t want to delve into religion. But as humans, I think we should respect all other humans no matter the religion and even if they don’t believe in a certain religion. I have so many friends of all religions and also none believers. Having a certain religion or none doesn’t mean a person is good or not, this is something i learned over the years. I personally manage to accept all “good” people no matter their beliefs. Why should i decide who is good and who is bad based on his/her beliefs?
Don’t you all think there are bad and good Jews, Christians, Muslims and atheists?
Take it easy people!
Peace :)
nedal habebe.. if you don’t want someone to call your philosophy or religion stupid, don’t call other people philosophies stupid, stop the religious double standard.. putting such video either here or any where else called freedom of expression.. try to live with it! I don’t try to stop you if you wanna post some stupid religious video.. do I?!
Ghassan man please be wise and don’t try to be over smart by adding this stupid video and spreading these stupid ideas , respect that most of the visitors of this website are muslims and they believe in one ALLAH . If you are not satisfied by any god then just tell me who has created you dude ?? or you have been born by accident ?? putting this video here is an offense to all of us .
the same twisted logic!
Geez, Gyno. Its just an opinion. Don’t take everything people say to the butt cheeks.
You really think your comments come off as smart, but they actually come off as being very rude.
rehab: I saw ur message and replied.. no worries :)
faten: I can’t start to explain how many wrong illogical things in your comment:
1. “none of them will EVER be true”.. talking about open mind!
2. “are obviously not”.. we’re talking about: Aristophanes, Hemingway, Al Ma3arry, Voltaire, Thomas Jefferson, Edison, to name a few.. yeah your right faten.. they are a bunch of idiots!
3. “RIGHT!!?………………………………………………………………………………….?” NO, NOT RIGHT some theories, although we can’t see it of touch it, but it could be based on other scientific facts, but the idea of god who was invented when people started building communities in the early human civilization, are not based on fact, it just developed from primitive ideas who eventually lead to the idea of god and prophets.. if you would say, then how every thing came to be, you’ll find hundreds of theories out there, the “god” theory is by far the weakest and farest from scientific logic.. try to read a book called “the history of god”
4. you can’t see a brain! not sure how to argue with this :) not only you can see it and feel it.. but you can (as everybody knows) do al kind of lab test on it..
5. “Please spare everyone your explanations” if you’re not welling to hear others then I would suggest not start talking in the 1st place
^You can get a million More “quotes” made by atheists but none of them will ever be true. These men who you call geniuses are obviously not. They say it does not exist. If you can’t SEE, TOUCH, SMELL, HEAR, it then there is not such thing RIGHT!!?………………………………………………………………………………….?
‘So I suppose you don’t have a brain then do you. Unless you can touch it, feel it, smell it, hear it?
Please spare everyone your explanations, everyone knows atheism, especially me and rehab. We have seen it all here. All religions. We have many friend we went to school that we still call friends who practice religions and beliefs other then Islam.
I’m not tiring to be offensive, just opinionated.^
Ghassan, check your messages :)
You know, you religious people are the godfathers of double standards.. if I said Muslims are stupid people, you would be now out on the streets shouting and rising banners and burning flags!
The fact is, the smartest people in history were atheists.. because you can’t be an open minded smart person and still believe in this big imaginary friend you call god..
LoL Ghassan, sorry buddy, but I totally 100 percent disagree buddy :) Atheism nowadays to many people is a sort of religion to them. You cannot be a Muslim/Catholic/Christian/Jew, and believe in any sort of Atheism, the reason being because those religions are BASED upon believing there is a God, Atheists believe that there is no God. They are complete opposites. I know a Muslim gal (she was screwed up) but she turned Atheist, she turned dark, she left Islam, I had a couple of other buddies who grew up going to Church, but turned Atheist, and quit Church, they Label themselves as Atheists which means they are no longer Muslim or Christian. It’s because of these stupid Atheist and people who believe in their crazy stuff that teachers in schools can’t even say the word “god” anymore. Atheist are dark sided stupid people. Sorry ya Ghassan but it’s true. It’s Not a cult but it’s an anti God belief.
ok rehab, where do I start!
ok.. let me put it this way: atheism is not a cult.. it doesn’t have a prophet or a “holy book” or a specific set of believes or “do’s and dont’s”..
ok.. let me put it this way: atheism is not a cult.. it doesn’t have a prophet or a “holy book” or a specific set of believes or “do’s and dont’s”..it’s simply a description to the state of not believing in god.. nothing more, nothing less.. so you can’t say that atheists are into darkness or what ever.. cause you can find atheist of all walks of life with many different philosophical ideas and believes..
ok.. let me put it this way: atheism is not a cult.. it doesn’t have a prophet or a “holy book” or a specific set of believes or “do’s and dont’s”..it’s simply a description to the state of not believing in god.. nothing more, nothing less.. so you can’t say that atheists are into darkness or what ever.. cause you can find atheist of all walks of life with many different philosophical ideas and believes..if you saw the quotes you’ll fins very well known names in history including scientists, inventors, authors, politician and emerican presidents, etc
ok.. let me put it this way: atheism is not a cult.. it doesn’t have a prophet or a “holy book” or a specific set of believes or “do’s and dont’s”..it’s simply a description to the state of not believing in god.. nothing more, nothing less.. so you can’t say that atheists are into darkness or what ever.. cause you can find atheist of all walks of life with many different philosophical ideas and believes..if you saw the quotes you’ll fins very well known names in history including scientists, inventors, authors, politician and emerican presidents, etchope it’s all clear now :)
Ghassan…do u believe in Atheism??? I kept an open mind while reading these quotes, and they all seem very ignorant. I never understood Atheists though. All the Atheists I know are in to “the dark side”. I don’t get how they think there is a dark side with out the opposite (a bright side)